Wednesday, March 08, 2006

 

No, it can't wait

No, sorry. I tried to lay off on Mike Hatch's comments on the straw poll results, but I just can't.

Let me get this straight. You're actively seeking the DFL endorsement, but don't show up to candidate events? You use your own internal polls of likely caucus attendees to boost your fundraising efforts, but then you say you don't want to be bound by a process that only includes 1200 people?

This, from the former state chair of the DFL? This, from someone who as well as anyone should know that the 1200 delegates in 2006 will be elected by the twenty-thousand most engaged, interested, educated DFLers in the state? This, from someone who has run in how many gubernatorial primaries (and lost)?

Perhaps the issue with those races was not that the DFL chose the wrong candidate for the general election. Perhaps a bit of navel-gazing is required, and perhaps we might see that the problem was the other DFLer in the race, who weakened the eventual nominee to the point where they had neither the cash on hand nor the political capital to appeal to enough moderate Republicans and independents to win.

Call it sour grapes or whatever you want to call it. I'm still satisfied with the results - momentum is on the side of my candidate, and I hope Becky Lourey's supporters will throw their weight behind Senator Kelley when the time comes. I'll be at my Senate District convention later this month, and I will be doing my damnedest to make sure that the endorsement fight is a quick one, and that the candidate with the best momentum and best chance to put the past four years' divisiveness behind us gets the full support of the DFL.

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Blogger Not Cliff Geertz said:
I feel your frustration with Hatch, and I voted for Kelley last night.

But it has to be said that in my Frogtown precinct, in a group that reflected the ethnic mix of the area, Hatch outperformed his statewide numbers. He received 14 out of 24 votes. Steve and Becky got 3 each. I was surprised by this, and it made me think.

I know it's early, and I think Kelley has a chance to turn it around. But I'm ready to acknowledge one thing: Hatch has genuine grassroots support.

We'll be able to criticize Hatch for many things as we move forward, but I hope we remember that he is not just the anointed one, or propped up by moneyed interests, or advancing because of the old boys network. (I don't think you are accusing him of any of this, I'm just making the point.)

A good chunk of active, informed street level Democrats support him, and that at least is not something to sneeze at.
 
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Blogger MN Campaign Report said:
You're right, it's not - but that bloc of Democrats that support him are the same people that supported him in 1990, and in 1994....His electoral record says "I can't win, but I can cause damage within the party. No good.
 
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Blogger Not Cliff Geertz said:
MNCR,

One thing that going to the caucus showed me is that we shouldn't make too many assumptions about his supporters. Many people voting for him in my precinct were too young to have voted for him in the 90s. You may have a different insight into who Hatch supporters are, but what I saw last night damaged my assumptions about Hatch.

I'm pointing this out in the spirit of knowing your opponent's strengths. If we go after him by dismissing his supporters as old or outside the party, we may drive them deeper into his arms.

You're right that his behavior toward the DFL's process is divisive. I really wish he would drop whatever his issues are with the party. I'd hate to think that his acts are based on some misguided idea of appearing independent by insulting the DFL.
 
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Blogger mike said:
I think it's important to note how predictable last nights results were. The fact that nothing is currently going on "under the surface" within the DFL seems to indicate there is nothing motivating the DFL.

More importantly there doesn't appear to be much of an anti Pawlenty movement, Poll #'s seem to indicate Pawlenty can be beat, but I'm not so sure it can happen simply by the DFL throwing a candidate that has been running for 3 years at him, and there doesn't appear to be a better alternitive.
 
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Blogger MN Campaign Report said:
Troll alert, everyone
 
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Blogger MN Campaign Report said:
That troll alert was for Mr. Grimes here. John, I think you're right. My only thing about Hatch's supporters is wondering why - he's gone out of his way to tell them, to their faces, that they don't matter to him. I wouldn't support someone who told me that.
 
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Blogger Not Cliff Geertz said:
"I wouldn't support someone who told me that."

Me neither.
 
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Blogger mike said:
And to think I just took partisan hack out of my link for you.

Oh well my comment has just as much merit wether or not you want to aknowlege it.
 
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Blogger MN Campaign Report said:
Mike! As I've said before, of course your comments have merit, but the other readers here deserve to know about your role in digging away at general DFL support in favor of an Independence Party candidate! I would do the same thing if I knew of a GOP operative ripping on DFLers in my comments.
 
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Blogger mike said:
While I will promote Peter Hutchinson in any way possible on other blogs (I will no longer do that here as I respect the fact you don't want that). I don't want the DFL to put forward a candidate that will be bad for Minnesota as whoever they put up in November will have a fairly decent chance of winning regardless of who it is.
 
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Blogger MN Campaign Report said:
Mike, it's not that I don't want you to comment - quite the opposite. It's that I would prefer comments to be constructive, and I strongly prefer full disclosure, especially in light of John Thune's little blogger army in South Dakota in 2004, similar goings-on in Vermont, and rumors of the same thing going on here.

But perhaps I have been overly harsh in my critiques. I can agree to disagree with you on our favored candidates, as long as we both recognize that beating Pawlenty is of paramount importance, and we're both thinking logically and rationally about HOW to do that, not necessarily WHO. Deal?
 
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Blogger mike said:
I can agree with that to the extent that beating Pawlenty is required for either of our prefered candidates to win, however if I was left with the choice of Pawlenty or any of the 4 Democrats I would only choose Doran on the DFL side.

Pawlenty is coming up well short even in the areas I should agree with him, but that doesn't mean I'm ready for a Democrat.
 
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